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Child Safety - PB&J Persecuted

Okay...so I sent my daughter to camp today with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich...is there some sort of witness protection program for this??

I am thankful that my daughter has no allergies and am wholly empathetic to those that do, particularly life threatening ones...but wouldn't it be better to adapt those children with the allergies to be hyper-vigilant about what they are eating rather than try to alter an uncontrollable environment?

A problem with this is specifically parents like me (there...I said it) , who may not know or may even forget some morning when they're rushing to get the day's lunch together. Peanuts are going to find their way to the playground and the guard of all of the kids their will be down.

I think we should do whatever we can to be educated and aware but avoid these unrealistic and extreme measures.

Just my two cents.

Posted: July 7, 2008
By: khedrick

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Aren't these children supposed to learn to be on guard for what they eat. I think peanut butter will slip through the cracks and this only makes a false sense of security. Do their parents tell them to still assume that any food other than what they themselves has sent for them is unsafe?

MamaKels | February 23, 2009 | reply


I think it's not that big of a sacrifice to go without peanut products for a few hours each day. This is an issue of safety.

DaniD | February 23, 2009 | reply


What do you think about this?

NestingConversationStarters | February 23, 2009 | reply


Instead of living in fear of food and what allergy they might induce, we should insure that our children are safe regardless of whether or not they come in contact with something that could initiate a deadly reaction. Epi-pens should be close at hand at every school, daycare, etc. It is impossible to monitor everyones lunch. As someone who has an egg and peanut allergy, it can sometimes be difficult to just keep up with myself. Accidents happen, we should just be prepared for them.

unworthychild | December 11, 2008 | reply


Oh, and i wanted to add that at my daughter's school they serve PB&J for lunch!

blessedlife | December 9, 2008 | reply


My son had a nut allergy up until he was 3. No one else in our family had such a problem and I have no idea where it came from. As a mother of a child with nut allergies I would have NEVER expected someone else's child to miss out on things because of his allergy.

blessedlife | December 9, 2008 | reply


OK, I'm going to ask a question that seems so obvious to me, but no one else has mentioned (I skimmed thru the posts, so I may have missed it). Why are there so many more severe allergy cases now? I'd be trying to find that answer and see what , if anything, could be done about the root causes and turn the tide away from more extreme food allergies. I'm not an expert in this, don't have kids who suffer from it, but am aware of the problem. I don't think I knew a single kid in school that had allergies of any sort when I was growing up. I suppose that could be from blissful ignorance, but I'm guessing kids just weren't allergic.

My sympathies are with those that face these battles daily, so please don't take the next statement out of context. When we really examine what we're asking society to do for this problem, should we really villanize those that don't suffer? We didn't do anything to cause the allergies-at least not knowingly-so why is there the need to change EVERYONE'S diet for a few?

I taught at a small Christian school and we had a student with a severe peanut allergy. Rather than condemn peanutbutter, he had a special place to eat lunch and had a scheduled lunch buddy each day. For that day, that child didn't eat peanutbutter, and the parent's knew a month in advance what day their child was his lunch buddy. It was all presented very positively, like he was super special because no one else got to eat in the library! I felt like this was a good compromise, compassionate to the child's needs without infringing on a universal childhood favorite food. His parents deliberately chose this school because of their willingness to work out a solution for everyone. I realize not everyone is in this situation, but I'll bet with some creative thought a lot more could be.

kelly913 | December 8, 2008 | reply


I don't think one child's diet should be dictated by the allergies of another child. It just doesn't make sense to me. I guess I can understand at a very young age. But...I still think banning PB&J is extreme. What if your child is protein deficient and the pedi has recommended PB&J? Should your child never get to take a PB&J (even though its beneficial for them) due to the allergies of another child?

Naturgirl | December 3, 2008 | reply


I think you should show some more compassion towards the families and the kids with the allergies. Is it that big of a sacrifice to go without skippy for a few hours? geez

LambLady | December 3, 2008 | reply


As a teacher and as a mom, i have become more conscious of wha kind of lunch I send to school with my daughter and what kinds of treats I buy for my students.  But because not everyone is as aware, i think that children need to be trained to be more proactive when it comes to medical conditions such as allergies. They should know that it's not ok to accept food from others if they don't know what's in it or if it's been near foods they are allergic to.   As a teahcer, I ws aware of allergies in children but as a mom, It became a little bit of a challenge to remember and think of.  Teachers and other adults that work with children should always be aware of he severity of a child's allergies so that parents and other staff can be informed.

maavalosr | September 26, 2008 | reply


If a kid has an allergy then they need to have the brains to know to not eat it & be careful at all times!!

With wee ones if they are at your home or a play date or even the park it is the parents job to say my kid can't have this. It's ok to ask, whats in that! or to run around saying "No Peanuts Please" If someone doesn't understand your carefulness them screw them!

At school, the teachers should know who has what & be the responsiable party. If a kid has an allergy then I think the school should have the right to ask parents to not send that (for airborn only, all other allergies need to just know to not pop anything in their maouth unless they know whats in it!) & if they do bring something, well then maybe that kid should be the one sitting alone across the room?

bubbagaloosch | September 22, 2008 | reply


I understand both sides and for most allergies making sure the adults who care for that child (and the child as they get older) know about the alllergies is enough. The issues with peanuts is that it's not just touching or injesting them that's dangerous. Many people with peanut & egg allergies (& maybe others that I don;t know about) will react from the smell. I worked at a preschool before I had kids and we have a boy in my class who would break out in hives and could potentially go into anaphylactic shock if someone in the same room as him had peanuts or peanut butter. He had to carry an epipen with him at all times. So, I absolutely understand why schools might decide to have a not peanuts or peanut product rule. It's just safer.

theresabell | September 19, 2008 | reply


OK so should we eliminate Wheat, eggs, dairy, peanuts, shellfish, and everything else just in case we might endanger a child who has an allergy to one of these?

I agree that there is an age where a child should be able to know and understand what allergies they have an to be aware of the enviornment they are in. My nephew is 7 and has been able to tell us since he was 4 what allergies he has. He is allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, and a long list of other things like grass, etc. My children eat peanut butter, peanuts, almonds, pistachios and a lot of other nuts. They have no allergies. Should I eliminate these items when he comes? Should I rid my fridge of dairy products for a playdate? Should I not use wheat bread for my child's sandwhich just in case some kid at school has an allergy?

It is SAFE to say that NO mother wants to endanger another childs life, but what limits can we set where we are not infringing on those who do not have allergies. I have no idea what the answer to that is I am just putting it out there. I hear both sides and I totally understand because my nephew has allergies and I see all she and he go through. He is happy, healthy and thankfully has not had a reaction since he was 4 and he is now 7.

MOMofTheIrishBunch | September 18, 2008 | reply


While I can see both sides, I do not agree with forcing the majority to mold to the minority. In other words, if my kids has no known allergies, and my kid's lunch is my responsibility, it should be my call what that lunch is. I have to keep an eye on one of my children's blood sugar, that does not mean we should ban sweet treats from every other child or family if she happens to be present... kids are far more capable than we give them credit for. If your child has an allergy, teach them to be aware of it and the consequences of not doing so. Once a child is kindergarten age or so, they are capable of comprehending that there are some things they cannot eat...just like we expect them to know there are rules they are expected to obey.

NickiMats | September 16, 2008 | reply


this is a tough situation! my sympathy lies on both sides of the matter!! but I dont think the convenience of packing a peanut butter and jelly sandwich should trump the threat of seriously allergy.

Kenzie | September 10, 2008 | reply


I go out of my way whether it's school, a play date, camp, and my own home to make my child's environment nut free. She is almost 8 and knows of her life threatening allergy. She does not injest anything new without asking the adult supervising if it's safe or not. I think it's ignorant on your behalf not to understand the whole "nut" free environment and you should be ashamed of yourself. How would you feel if were responsible for an accidental injestion of a child with a severe nut allergy simply because you were determined to pack a PB &J? Some children can't even touch trace amounts! My child is a cheerleader at a prominent cheer gym in our area and on camp days or choreography days it's nut free, simply because they realize that other children might not wash their hands or be slobby eaters and trace amounts of peanut butter could be left. Kids will be kids and why should my daughter who was 2 when she developed this be forced to govern herself? Does your 2 yr. old ask if their friends washed their hands before she holds it or grabs a toy? I think not! Get a clue, a middle school age is appropriate to allow nuts. Not preschool and elementary, have your child branch out and try new foods and remember would you want to get a call that your child is being rushed to the ER because a mother such as yourself was too lazy to remember to pack a nut free lunch?

tramcc5 | September 9, 2008 | reply


New to this site/list. Several points to make:

1) Autoinjectible epinephrine is easy to use, could save a life and should not be feared. It is quite possible that epinephrine could prevent longer lasting symptoms such as hives and itching. Always good to remember: Benedryl cures hives, Epinephrine saves lives and epineprine should be the first line of defense in an anaphylactic emergency.

2) I think that middle school is when both food allergic students and their peers are aware of the impact of their actions and their environment and are able to advocate for themselves. A 5 yo won't tell a teacher no when that teacher tells them to pick up their neighbors peanut butter sandwich off the floor.

3) I have not had the pleasure of having my daughter attend a peanut-free school (she sits at a peanut-/tree nut' free table and this has put a damper on her social life) but we have always requested and received a peanut-free room, but always being prepared for a slip. Most parents realize that it is nearly impossible to achieve 100% compliance due to human nature (no one is perfect) and unless lunches and snacks are inspected daily (which I understand happens in some schools), it is likely that someday someone will send peanuts. But having the other safeguards in place (e.g., not sharing food, safe food sent from home, nonfood celebrations, washing or wiping hands after eating, having emergency meds available) means that everyone is ready if there is a slip (at least I hope they are). It is all about reducing risk and being inclusive.

There are some kids for which environmental exposures pose a risk. And that is where a school community has to trust the family and their doctor, and the parents of the food allergic child need to make their requests based on the evaluation and recommendations of a board certified allergist.

I have actively lobbied nutrition services staff member in my district and state to consider Celiac disease as a life-threatening condition, in which case nutrition services would have to provide gluten-free meals and celiac students would receive protection under the ADA; my understanding is that this varies from state to state. I have two children, both intolerant to dairy, gluten and eggs (did not test positive for Celiac blood test, but they are intolerant by other tests) and one of them has a life-threatening peanut allergy. I live on both sides of this celiac/life-threatening peanut allergy debate, and we don't have a positive celia test which makes it even harder..

4) The following foods are the major cause of life-threatening food induced anaphylaxis: dairy, eggs, peanuts, tree nuts, shellfish, wheat, soy and fish. Seed allergies seem to be increasing. Peanuts, tree nuts and shellfish cause the highest number of fatalities. See www.foodallergy.org or www.foodallergyinitiative.org

familydancemom | September 8, 2008 | reply


My kids LOVE pb&j. However, I'm going to have to say that anything that lessens the odds of a child's life being in danger I have to support. My kids will suck it up and eat tuna...and get exposed to mercury probably...

HeatherN | July 23, 2008 | reply


At age 2 we found out that my son had a severe peanut allergy when he went into anaphylactic shock after touching peanut butter while making pinecone bird feeders. Needless to say, I am already worried about sending him to school. Until we found out about his allergy I never understood why kids couldn't just avoid the nut products that people ate around them. But, as previous posters have explained, people could die from just breathing it in, from being touched by someone who recently ate something with nuts in it, or even from touching something that someone who had recently eaten nuts had touched.

javamommy, as you are a fellow parent of a child with a severe sensitivity to certain foods, I was saddened to see your attitude toward those with nut allergies. I feel for all children with severe food sensitivities (I do know a little girl with celiac disease) and am willing to go out of my way to try to accommodate all of them in any way I can. Instead of resenting the strides that parents of those with nut allergies have made in schools (which is still not enough in many schools), why not try to use that as a jumping off point for modifications for your child in her school?

proudmommyof2 | July 15, 2008 | reply


I hope you are not suggesting that celiac disease is an "annoying inconvenience" I will assume that is not so.... Thanks for the allergy "education" although I don't think I needed one. I think I watching my daughter waste away from iron deficiency anemia due to her body's inability to absorb gluten was quite enough. Thankfully, she was diagnosed when she was 4.5 but only after 5 GI specialists didn't bother to do a simple blood test. We all have our battles. No one can judge whose are worse. I am so sorry you have had to go to the ER so many times and I hope that you do not have to go again!

javamommy | July 15, 2008 | reply


Hi Javamommy - I was not referring to celiacs.. I think that is far worse than peanut allergies,.,. I was referring to the original mom posting about the inconvenience of not being able to send her child to school with a PB&J. Sorry that I was not more clear. I don't always have the time to read what everyone else has posted. Thank God your daughter was diagnosed! I think my hubby has celiacs but, he refuses to be tested. Thanks for sharing.

Ann | July 15, 2008 | reply


Gosh - I can completely understand your frustrations. Thankfully for your family they are just annoying inconveniences. Maybe it would help to have some insight from a parent of two young children with multiple food allergies. Both of my kids are allergic to peanuts and eggs. In addition, my daughter is also anaphylactic to dairy, cats & dogs and peas and allergic to tomato, corn, wheat, sugar and some preservatives and additives.

Since January, we have been to the ER 5 times for my daughter. My son has only gone into anaphyalaxis 3 times in six years. Once b/c a relative kissed him on the cheek 7 hours after ingesting a PB&J. Of all the allergies that we have to deal with, peanuts seems to be the deadliest because of the severity and uncontrollability of the reactions. I admit, if I could have my way, my daughter would be in a dairy free school ..since milk that simply splashes on her affects her ability to breathe. Peanuts though are really not a necessity. There are alternatives. Soy "nut" Butter tastes almost identical to peanut butter. I have given it to lots of kids (teens too) and they can't really tell the difference. If anything it is slightly sweeter.

It may sound like I am not a very diligent parent but, I am one very paranoid momma and I am constantly on top of allergies and it is a constant everyday battle for us. We carry 4 epis with us, a bottle of benedryl, a portable nebulizer, etc.. every where we go! Both kids wear medic alert bracelets and we rarely eat out. By no means do I feel sorry for our situation, in fact, I am rather grateful that these are the only issues we have been given. It could always be worse. I do feel though it is my responsibility to educate others of food allergies and asthma. There is a very good reason that peanuts are being removed from schools. I think we should all be more concerned with what is causing all of these allergies and other immune deficiencies that were almost unheard of a decade or two ago.

Thank you for your honesty. I hope you can understand allergies a bit better now.

Ann | July 14, 2008 | reply


This world is just so nutty now isn't it? As with everything we need to be empathetic to ALL sides of this strange issue. If there is a child at risk in your class or school, then save PB & J for home. Save you from slaving over the stove for dinner right?

Ida | July 8, 2008 | reply


False sense of security wouldn't be an issue for you though? I think it's impossible to ensure that nut products are not going to make it into any school. Do the kids with allergies generally not take food from other kids regardless?

joeb | July 9, 2008 | reply


PB&J for school!! No one wants it at home. Maybe I'll start a revolution. And BTW, my DD can also ingest gluten from airborne flour. But alas, cooking projects continue to go on... That is life.

javamommy | July 8, 2008 | reply


Well. I happen to agree with the first poster. As a parent of a child with celiac disease (autoimmune disease where the body cannot tolerate gluten, found in pretty much everything processed), I think the non-peanut (or nut) allergies are discriminated against in favor of the nut allergies. Yes, it's true, there is the epi-pen and the shock and that is different than the body producing antibodies which make the child throw up and not be able to absorb nutrients and make them at greater risk of many cancers, diabetes, etc. etc. But, it is difficult to me as a parent because clearly the answer cannot be "no gluten allowed". And my daughter loved PBandJs until her school went "nut free". Now that is one less thing she can bring to school. So, while I can appreciate both sides of the coin, I think parents with nuts have managed to run the school system and other allergies are ignored. I hope this does not sound insensitive, as I certainly don't intend it to. It is is obviously an issue I feel strongly about...

javamommy | July 8, 2008 | reply


Related to momof2...

I must seem very selfish when it's put in that light...and I might agree. It's really unfortunate that any child has to be in such a situation...I couldn't imagine. But now I have a better sense of what people are dealing with and will definitely support and be mindful of peanut free efforts. Thanks for showing me the other side of the coin. I think that's what makes these message boards such a great resource.

khedrick | July 8, 2008 | reply


I see both sides. At my daughter's elementary school, there is a child with a severe nut allergy...to the point that if he touches nut oil (or a child who has just eaten nuts) he could go into anaphalactic shock. The school made the decision before he entered to become nut free. And truthfully, while initially annoying (I'll be honest), by the end of the school year it was second nature for me and my daughter. My daughter (who used to only eat PB&J sandwiches) has learned to branch out, and it has been another life lesson in how people are different and we need to be sensitive to those differences.

However, that being said, it's unrealistic to expect the world to be nut free.

annieandjakesmom | July 8, 2008 | reply


I am the mother of a 15 year old girl who has peanut allergy. We have been dealing with this issue forever. The problem with peanut allergy is that for some kids, the allergy is airborne, meaning that they only have to smell peanut butter to have a reaction. The reaction gets worse with every exposure and can ultimately result in death from anaphalactic shock. While I agree that older kids should be responsible for monitoring what goes in their mouth, even they screw up sometimes. My 15 year old daughter ate a peanut butter cookie on the 4th of July and spent the next 2 days on Benadryl given every 4 hours. She was sneezing, coughing and broke out in full body hives. Thank God I didn't have to jab her leg with an epi-pen and go to the emergency hospital. My daughter spent her entire grammar school experience separated from her classmates because her school did not have a no peanut policy. She was allowed to have a couple of friends with her, but what kid wants to be the odd man out? That's it from the other side of the coin.

momof2 | July 8, 2008 | reply


Deadly allergies can include Milk and Eggs too. Also wheat gluten I think...

joeb | July 7, 2008 | reply


I would agree with this at a certain age level. I think for preschool aged situations keeping any hazard out makes sense. But when the kids get to an age where they're expected to be aware and act a certain way (maybe 5 or 6) then the peanuts should be allowed.

demanda | July 7, 2008 | reply


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